Some may see what I am about to publicly propose, as unwise. Some may feel it would be smarter to address this issue privately, behind the closed doors of private messages, but I believe, in this case, a public discussion can only be healthy. So with all due respect, to the Republican leader, I feel the time has come for us to stop the hemorrhaging of the GOP on U4prez.
On U4prez, over the course of the past two years, I have seen Democrats become Republicans and then return to GOP. I have seen the confused become Republicans, switch to Democrats and then become Independents and some have then returned to the G.O.P. with their confusion intact.
I have seen Republicans like Friday and Mduminiak declare their sense of being abandoned by the U4prez G.O.P. , breakaway and start their own parties or declare their own territorial independence. I too have maintained independence from any formal connection to a unified u4prez G.O.P. party. I have never run for G.O.P. leader here (nor do I intend to) and I have not declared allegiance to any U4prez G.O.P. platform.
The departures of some from the U4prez G.O.P. have been depressing and it does not bode well.
Now, today, I see the departure of Smashey from the ranks of U4prez Republicans.
I do know that others have left the party here because they could no longer tolerate seeing their beliefs get watered down. But to see Smashey seemingly adopt this same sense of dissatisfaction is a sign that the U4prez G.O.P. is in critical condition and on life support with the oxygen running out of the tanks.
Not only are we losing more and more of the minds I have come to value here on U4prez, like Smashey, we are at risk of losing new recruits to U4prez who may believe that the uneducated, incongruent beliefs of some who call themselves a Republican espouse, are the views of the U4prez Republican Party.
This can not continue. We should not have to be trying to stop the hemorrhaging and hoping to keep what we have. We should be attracting more Libertarians or Independents to our party, not turning Republicans into Libertarians and independents. We should be attracting them to our cause for freedom, prosperity and security, not helping to increase the ranks of other's causes.
None of this is the fault of our Republican leader.
Austin08 is a true Republican and I would suggest that by both demeanor and opinion he is a fine Republican, an exemplary one. However, he has been put in a position of having to satisfy the delusions of some who in their heads do not know what the Republican party stands for and in their hearts, do not hold a passion for those beliefs. He is dealing with some who cannot extrapolate their own lines of thought, yet wish to profess their wisdom as official party doctrine. But the time spent placating and humoring those voices must end.
In the past, the need to placate the confused candidacies of some who seek to redefine the U4prez G.O.P. as something that it is not, has forced some out of the party and brings us closer to officially splitting. I myself have often contemplated the creation of a “Traditional Republican” party” or a “Reagan Republicans” party somewhere in the mishmash of Independent organizations. The thought is not pleasant and as such, I avoided it and maintained my commitment to strengthening the single official Republican Party that exists here.
But, unless we find a way to properly define ourselves and unite under that definition, as a party, and soon, such a split and direct opposition to the current “official” U4prez Republican party, from that split, by the initiatives of others besides me, may just come to fruition.
This public admission will undoubtedly unleash a floodgate of witless words of jest from the enemies of the founding principles of our nation. For the sake of rational and productive discussion I will ignore their discourse and I hope that those who do not wish to see the Republican party on U4prez become a write-in party will too.
U4prez Republicans need to discuss this situation now.
We can not wait for the establishment of a platform to save us. I suggest that we have this discussion publicly. I believe this debate could prove to be healthy and end up forcing some to recommit to the cause of the party on U4prez. Some may wish to have this discussion behind the scenes but either way, the discussion needs to take place.
We need to create on U4prez, the type of Republican party that sets an example for the national party.
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lol Kempite. Beyond any reasonable explanation, it was pretty neck and neck all day... thats why I didnt know who won. It was a good race, but again, I have no idea why hahaha...
Trish, I too have no delusions of winning a GE. I have stepped on far too many toes. That and time I might be spending on New Jersey's general elction have made me reluctyant to make any official announcement regarding a run for the presidency here. As for yesterday's runoff, I was not on very much yesterday but last I saw, I was just hoping to not be embarrased by a landslide that was falling in your direction.
ooops I found it in your platform page.
Did you win the runoff last night? I hope so. No denying that winning a runoff is a little rush for the ego, but I have no intention of getting anywhere close to a GE lol.
Just the facts Sir. Can you give me a link to your outside blog?
Wow, Trish, that was awfully kind of you and too generous. Truth is, I write these posts for my own blog called POLITICS 24/7. So I am really not wasting my time here. Only four or five blog posts on here were written specifically for U4prez, including the one that won. So I waste my time not 4uprez, I do it for myself........lol. But seriously, I appreciate your comment but what I write simply comes out of my passion for the issues I seek to deal with.
That last comment was directed at Kempite of course!
On another note... last night I was going through some of your blogs. Its amazing the time and thought you put into them. My opinion? You are wasting your time here. You should be writing for a major news outlet. Shit! You should be writing for the Huff Post hahaha... but seriously... I dont know what your profession is other than the political campaigning, but this is what you should be doing for a living.
I think FnG is is trying to convince himself and us that he is a Republican. I still dont believe it. Ive been 'teetering' myself, but I cant see myself leaving the GOP here or in real life ever.
I posted my response to thin on the comments section of the GOP Leader profile. You can go there to see it.
I half to agree with what alot of what was said on here about who is or is not a republican. These purity contests are a farce.
I am a Republican who favors a flat or "ramp" income tax. If you make $1 in this country you will pay an income tax under my administration. EVERYONE will have a stake.
I am a Republican who would truly reform welfare by demanding responsibility from the fathers and limiting aid based on the number of children. I would reform Social Security disability procedures so that Social Security disability was not the "new welfare," thus ensuring funds are available for the truly disabled. I would encourage "help thy neighbor" programs through direct payment for services, accordingly.
I am a Republican that would end affirmative action and eliminate all federal racial discrimination.
I am a Repblican who would use all the tools at my disposal to steer our youth away from trouble. I would consider any troubled youth my own personal responsibility, as President. We would make an effort to help troubled youth like no other like effort has ever been made.
I am a Republican who would challenge any state laws that might infringe on an US citizens' constitutional rights. I would protect US citizens against the abuses of the states.
I am a Republican who would press for an end to the Electoral College as a way to empower American citizens over state political machines.
I am a Republican and I believe early abortions should be an option, but would endorse a ban on late term abortions, except in the cases where a mother's health was at serious risk. I would push Congress for a definition of "human life."
I am a Republican and I am non-religious, agnostic, but I respect others' rights to worship and believe what they will. I believe government spending should take peoples' beliefs into consideration when they want to spend money on things like stem cell research.
I am a Republican and I strongly believe in gun rights. Armed citizens are a good thing. US citizens have the right to KEEP and BEAR arms! If you don't like that, move to Canada.
I am a Republican and would cut government spending considerably through agency consolidations, 2-year pay freezes for federal workers, and the elimination of locality pay adjustments.
I am a Republican and I don't care of gays get married. As Jessie Ventura so eloquently put it, This is not the Heterosexual States of America. However, I do believe there are loggistical problem involved with allowing open homosexuality in the military, and that needs to be debated.
I am a Republican and I believe we can produce our own combustable fuel - hydrogen gas, as much as we need, clean, efficient. I would have this country off the arab oil tit within 8 years.
I am a Republican and I believe in a strong National Defense. I would control costs through consolidations and would require much better quality assurance on the part of our defense contractors. I would pay time and a half wages to our troops for duty hours over 40 hours per week, just like civilian employees.
I am a Republican , and I have a fiscally responsible plan for a National Health Insurance that would help the working class, American Business and control costs.
Remember - sick people are going to be treated eventually in this country one way or another, and it cannot continue to be almost exclusively up to the working class to subsidize health care for everyone. That's where a National Sales tax comes into play - everyone, EVERYONE, even the illegal immigrants, would help pay for it and thus have a stake in it.
The Republican Party platform of 2008 ...... http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/ ......
Is actually an excellent platform. Of course everything got thrown for a loop when the economy collapsed under a Republican administration. This had more to do with G. W. Bush than the Republican party. He just wasn't a real smart feller and he trusted the wrong people. The "old boy network" that took adavantage of Bush is always around, always ready top line their pockets. We need a really, really smart guy and we'll have it. Then we have to get realistic about health care reform. Just like the liberals have been proven wrong on things like gun rights, Republicans should finally acknowledge that there is no way to create a workable hybrid health care "system". We are going to have to have a National health Insurance in this country if we want to control costs and ensure everyone is covered. Such a program could be funded with a 4% National Sales Tax, a 3% payroll tax, and a 4% corporate EBITDA tax. Covering every individual for basic and catastrophic health care would make sense for business, for hard-pressed states, and would make many of the arguements for and against such social issues as gay marriage, moot. Nobody should have to rely on another individual for health coverage. Yes, it should be a basic right in 21st century America. If the Republican Party were to formulate and embrace a fiscally responsible National Health Insurance program, and forget about some non-existant idealogical reason why we shouldn't have such a thing, the Republicans would be back in charge in a heart beat.
Borrowing money to fund tax cuts is just as irresponsible as borrowing money to spend. If the Republican party can acknowledge that, then they may regain some credibility as the party of fiscal responsibility.
You are correct..... but those that scream the loudest about adhereing to the Constitution,,,,, tend to not follow the Constitution and give it more lip service than anything.
Big......I fully see what you mean and I have found occassions when I feel that my view regarding one particular issue or action contradict my approach to another issue. At those times, I find myself having to take a step back and carefully analyze my own advice. It is during times like that, that I believe the constitution mujst make the final call. Today, a suggested course of action was outlined by a candidate on U4prez. Despite my desire to ignore this particular candidate I indulged him and my curiousity. What I found was a cont=radiction of the course of action that this candidate has suggested in Iraq. That is just one example of contradicting ones own beliefs. We are riddled with contradictions on U4prez and on Capitol Hill but I have concluded that for most issues, the conflicts could be avoided if we adhered to the constitution and heeded its advice.
Kempite you have always had a way with words and you never disappoint with yor efforts. But unfortunately yo are partially correct. It is sad that people will have a 3,4, or even a 5 on one debate then cry that they were attacked. then when it is pointed out that they contradict thier own beliefs with there other beliefs,,,,,, it is insane. Unfortunately, I fully support the actions of and taken by Smashey. I will be behind him till the end as he truly has taken the time to consider all positions and completely think thru his logic on issues. I know you have as well, that is why we agree on All but one issue. It saddens me that complete idiots who can sit here all day and post moronic statements are once again becoming prevalent within the party. Big tents, open doors, all inclusive are all touchy feel good euphamisms. The GOP is not tightly defined, and as for being the party of Personal responsibility, I see a bunch of whinny bitches. Time to toughen up and act like men for a change and USE FACTS WHEN DEALING WITH THE ISSUES AND PEOPE HERE. the constant crying is turning you all a bunch of cunts.
You could read my blog about it. Debts, Deficits, and the Myth of the Clinton Surplus
I am at work, Friday. I will get back to this in just a sec!
Let me know when you're done googling.
simple misdirection of the American people friday, typical con man
Progress, Clinton left this nation 5.7 trillion in debt. The only reason he says he left a surplus is because for his last budget he borrowed $800 billion from the Social Security trust fund, used $450 billion to pay down public debt, and called the rest a surplus.
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Okay, it is set up.... 1200 EST, Tonight.
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i know right- WTF??
It was all nice and civil earlier, i leave for like 2 hr and i come back to the bitterness. wtf???
i say yes demo---look at how these boys behave- they killed the good vibes
so am I in charge of a show or no tonight?
Thats bullshit too progress dems AND repubs conned the people there. It was a stopgap measure to avoid the mess we have now. I will say this Reagon pulled the wall down......... the third time America came to the call for help.
Then why do the Republicans, to this day, take credit that they worked together with a Democratic President to create a surplus?
awww i see the love fest is over..
Bill Clinton did not generate a surplus. I wrote a post about this a few days ago.
Really? I am being partisan? Wow!.....Reagan was not a God. Alzeimer's Disease proved that, unfortunately. However, he outspent the Soviet Union to its own demise. Bill Clinton was able to generate a surplus because the Cold War was over; and he and the Republican Congress had the luxury of cutting back on Defense Spending. Mickey Mouse would have had a surplus with those type circumstances.
Keith Olbermann is on any my pink-commie whacky left wing liberal elitist ass is going to watch it. Peace.
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That explains alot!!!!!!
Reagan is the conservative God. He tripled the deficit. Clinton was a tax and spend Democrat that reduced the deficit. Bush was the Republican hero. He tripled the deficit. I'm not deffending the democrats but you can't bash their fiscal policies when the last Democrat in office cut the deficit, and the last two 2 term republicans tripled and doubled it. Quit being so partisan and call it like it is. Keith Olbermann is on any my pink-commie whacky left wing liberal elitist ass is going to watch it. Peace.
Exellent way to put it Hawk!!!
Common ground? I was wondering what that was...... we found it!
Damn! I actually agree with Hawk on this. Is this the Twilight Zone?
The Democrats have always been known as the tax and spend party, lately the Republicans have been borrow and spend. Obama's tax cut will be offset by "investments" he is making. Cap and trade will gobble up any tax cut he has passed. A tax is not always called a tax. If you give me an extra 8 bucks a week in a so called tax cut and then make me pay higher energy prices due to cap and trade havre I gained anything? If he forces states to impliment programs and the state has to raise my taxes then have I gained anything?
Imagine, because of the huge gaping hole that our current administration has put in the deficit, which was caused by spending, they are going to have to tax somewhere. It does not take a 5th grader to do the math on this. I realize what he did; but this is going to have to be paid for somehow.
Progress, quit saying the democrats would tax and spend. Obama signed the biggest middle class tax cut in history. Joe 6 pack and joe the plumber are just too ignorant to realize that.
Ron Paul's supporters were talking about the Tea Parties last October, before Obama was even elected and before Bush signed the first bailout into law. Ron Paul was rejected by the Republican Party in the primaries as a "loose cannon" or a "nut." Yet, on April 15th, Republicans were the first to jump on the bandwagon of the whole Tea Party bit. Very interesting to say the least!.......I will be the first to say the Republicans have lost their identity, and it did not just happen last year. Up until 2003, I was a Republican; and I defended every tenet of their platform adamantly. I was pro-life, anti-gay-anything, pro-guns, pro-military, all of that stuff. Bush/Cheney really made me do a gut-check on a lot of things; and I lost faith in the GOP. Ron Paul provided a glimmer of hope in 2008; but then they "ran him off the reservation" and isolated his supporters as if they were a cancer. In truth, they were the real voices of America fed up w/ their lack of representation; just like myself......I agreed w/ the Libertarians and Democrats in my state that the civil liberties that were being compromised for the War on Terror were a grave concern. I agreed with them on the Iraq War as well as Habeaus Corpus; and even moreso, I was embarassed that my nation, the United States of America, was involved in torture. There were some who said that I was only opposing the Republican Party just because I did not like Bush. You now what? They were right! I am still a very fond supporter of Colin Powell; even though he, like so many Americans, fell for the lies of the Bush Administration........I knew that the Democrats would tax and spend. However, I was hoping that we could get back to reasonable defense of civil liberties. I applaud Obama closing Guantanamo Bay and ending the CIA prisons overseas. However, I am gravely concerned about Obama's desire to curb gun rights, and extend corporate welfare to businesses that made bad decisions on Wall Street. I am one Democrat who will not blindly follow Obama into a giant gaping hole......The Republican Party did not use to care about getting involved in social issues. Before the migration of the Deep South following the Civil Rights Act, there were no concerns among the Republican Party regarding social issues. In fact, Reagan defected to the Republican Party because he felt like his then-Democratic Party was becoming too involved in social programs. What happened?......So, yes, I agree with the premise of this blog. I realize I am not a member of this party today; and some may see me as a pariah because I attempted in the past to unsuccessfully fool people with fake profiles. (BTW, that is a credit to Kempite and Fearless. They were not fooled at all!) However, I will be the first to tell you, whether I become a Libertarian or continue as a Democrat, I am not in favor of a one-party system of government. I want a strong Republican Party. For that reason alone, I do hope that the GOP gets its act together. I mean that sincerely........Arch.
The Republican party sucks almost as bad as the Democratic party. It is simply the lessor of the two evils. Republicans stand up for the second amendment, Republicans stand up to the hand-out crowd, Republicans stand up for small business, Republicans stand for a strong military, Republicans stand for law and order. Republicans used to stand up for the working class, butI don't know about that any more. The Republican Party has a unique opportunity to re-invent itself and I would suggest that we make our tent as big as we possibly can. Essentially, anyone who cares about the future of our country should have a seat in our tent. The Republican party should be there for the common concerns of whites, blacks; blue collar, white collar; rich, poor; gay, straight; men, women. The Republican party should stand for honesty, integrity, ingenuity, freedom, justice, goodness and should have a positive view of America and humanity. Keep an open mind, fellow Republicans and welcome different views and debate. That's what it's all about. And that's how we will defeat the Democrats - by widening our scope and thus narrowing theirs.
Thanks Imagine, oddly I am included on "guys night out" and have been referred to as "one of the guys" since I was 15.
The problem with all parties (at least Democratic, Republican, and Libertarian) is that there is a disconnect between the grassroots and the national party.
i will see what i can do...
You're one fo those cool girls that can just hang out with the guys. But I figured you were cool as soon as I found out you're a SIXburgh fan.
Time to figure out where we are going to din din. I will check the status of this site and show interest.... You guys talk it up and play marketing team and I will do it.
i know demo- i have been getting along very well with people today...
Most of my friends are dudes....
I prefer to discuss with females. Most all of my close friends are females.
Well you are correct Imagine.. again... gag... Men sure do make it easy for us to look smart!
That is true, KT.
Imagine,I can`t even say I`m really a Republican anymore.I`m a conservative yes,but the Republican Party is really a sinking ship,and I`m not really interested in going down with it.I`m thinking going with more the Constituion Party.I`ve even thought about making my own party on here.
Okay Imagine, that will get you a 10. :) I am really liking the love on the site today.... I am smiling on here. It has been a long time for that.
maybe we could get LC too. maybe we could let the men call in but you could mute them if the get out of hand
That was bad wording. haha. My apologies. What I meant was, while women can be just as aggressive as men, they don't tend to let their tempers get out of control and make them do and say stupid shit.
Sad thing is, it would only be us 3 ladies... unless we can get Jackie. Someone needs to get Think08 and there are others that have just vanished.....
I`m not bad,I guess Trish.There`s this job picking strawberries during the summer I`m keeping my fingers crossed on getting.Really tempting.$55 bucks a day [you get paid daily],and you get half-priced discounts on the strawberries,sounds like a real good job.
well i think the women here are pretty aggressive- but i will agree with the smarter part
Imagine, that gets u a 5 for the day. Why only a "5"? Because, women I have known tend to be far more aggressive than the guys I do.
Women are naturally less agressive, and smarter than men. That's why. haha.
helium tanks.. Baaaahahahahaa
Yes, David and Trish are getting along... Ive softened up a bit!
b/c for once- the women are dominating the conversation here- it does not happen too often- and we play better together then those big tough men-lol
David, musicman and RD are the ignorant people you are talking of Kempite. You need Big Daddy, erock and Austin doing more talking if you want the Republican party to become popular again. Losing Smashey was a huge blow to you guys.
Why is this "idea" sounding great right about now?
Umm, Trish and David getting along?
oh trish so many jokes about so many of the "men" here......
We discuss tatters, the guys will be all over that show and getting helium tanks to sound more feminine so they can call in.
Actually, thats not a bad idea Demo. We can ban anyone with a penis and fight over our huge breats!!!! IM IN!!! Hahahaha... Im good David.. Spring is here, means less pain for me... Im good! Hows it going with you?
LOL, I just had an idea... KT, Trish, You know how most of the shows are "sausage fests?" We should do a ladies only show and talk about boys and stuff..:) j/k
He never apologized for no longer providing nice pics either.... selfish... I do not think I like him anymore..... :)
eh it happens- he may be a little more sane then t he rest of us....
How are ya,Trish?
after the BD escapade, he just never came back after apologizing to everyone else about his behavior. ... Sad.
Eff got tired of the drama. Thanks for agreeing on the pics KT. :)
whatever happened to Eff?? and ia gree on the pics thing...
lmao that would be funny Demo. cheaper than alcohol! Oh I agree.. nice pics hahahaa .......... Hi David!
I kinda miss that too, BUT I was not overly thrilled by the Efferis and BD nightmare. I miss Eff and his pics were nice. :)
Good evening,afternoon,whatever the case may be for you.
lol, me either Trish. Maybe I will take the ambien and see what happens on the show??? j/k
But I do so miss BD yelling at people and getting threatened hahahaha
lol thats why I like them Demo, cuz I have no other life at midnight on Friday nights!
I have no desire for a political show... I honestly think that belongs on here. I like the idea of shows being for "fun" and kinda like "hanging out with your friends" when you cannot go out into the real world for whatever reasons.
I dont want to heal. My insanity gives me many good excuses for my shortcomings. :)
I should have also included "more than they do now, anyone who has spent this long on this site, has a level of insanity in them." No offense to the rest of the veterans here, but really. Sometimes the best way to heal is to have someone point it out. I will be the bearer of that news.
i was going to say if anyone questioned your sanity i would be surprised- i think we are all a little nuts
i could always do one as well- im just lazy- plus i am still skiddish after the nightmare of my 1st show...
Too late honey, we question your sanity now.
ROFL, Trish... :)
I will sleep when I am dead, KT. I can go night night when I feel like it, I will make Cubs take over.
I think you should have a better sense of commitment Demo and actually choose no sleep and do a show hahahaha
I was gonna do one the other week but lack of interest killed that idea. I have no desire to talk to myself on the phone. A.) I hate the sound of my own voice and B.) People may question my sanity.
i was thinking about bugging BD- i want you to get some good sleep demo and this way you could still call in and go nigh nigh when you felt like it:)
All I knwo is, I really hate that my own party has made me feel insecure in my 'Republicanism'! And then here on u4... Someone like Marcus is appointed as the platform chair???? Nothing personal... but WTF!?
I could do one, I have off tomorrow and nothing better to do. Gonna go to dinner w/ Cubs and the kids and then a movie... Could do a late nighter, that is if I choose to not take an ambien and actually get sleep 2 nights in a row.
I have practically been BEGGING BD to start up the FNUF's again dammit!!!
Its still control, on a large scale or a smaller scale.
on a side note- is there a friday show?? im not at work and cant go out for financial reasons- someone should do one....
It is trish. we are all americans- but it hink the thought process is to not have agovernment grow out of control. and on issues like education individual communities usuallu know what is best for their children as opposed to a large national government.
Uh oh... States rights argument.... I will steer clear cuz I tend to piss off more people with that then I do religion and that is saying something
When I say "same" I mean the almost cultist mentality within the DEM party. If anyone says anything bad about Obama, the Dem party is on them like white on rice....
Well its bullshit Kt. And to tell you the truth, I dont even get the state vs federal issues crap. We are American. We should all have the same rules and guidelines. I think some have the idea that maybe one day there will only be certain states full of gays? Unreal!
demo i agree with most of your statement. but i dont think al lliberals are the same- I still consider myself to be a liberal but i do not hold all of the same positions as Imagine who is also a liberal. but i agreed with the rest of what you had to say
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This just goes to prove that the liberal mentality has taken complete root withing the Republican party. That we all need to be exactly the same. the idea of individuality that at one point was rampant in the Republican party is dead and buried in a crawlspace somewhere. Someone needs to find it before the idea decays and is never to be found again. The infighting within the GOP both on here and off is horrifying. When "conservatives" bash other "conservatives" for being to lenient on wedge issues such as abortion and gay rights it is destructive. NOT EVERYONE HAS TO THINK ALIKE TO BE PART OF A GROUP. Heck, I have friends who are of the "religious right" but I obviously am not, do we cease to be friends due to it? NO, but the GOP sure as hell ceases to be a "party" and more of a pissing contest. Someone needs to find that crawlspace and resurrect the GOP otherwise it will no longer be GOP and DEM on the ticket to vote in NOV. It will be LIBERTARIAN and DEM. Would I complain? Probably not, only due to the fact that it would be a wake-up call to the GOP and maybe just maybe the GOP would make sense to me again. I have gotten to where I understand but not agree with the DEM side of things. At least they are honest when they say they are going to spend a lot of frivolous monies and not be raging hipocrites about it.
I did skim over it a bit MD. and I dont blame you for not wanting to re-do it lol. I see where you are.
see Trish that is consistency. i think some here do not want to say gay rights are federal issues b/c they dont want to see them have rights. so they hide behind states rights- im not saying that is always the case- let me make that clear. but some that have moral issues with it do not want to come off as bigots...
please see my debate with MM on Kempite's profile about these issues. I can't possibly go through it again this afternoon. I haven't the time.
I think that abortion AND gay rights are both federal issues. Taxes, freedoms, and rights are federal issues are they not?
I agree Kempite. The Constitution. Its that simple. Many want to spin it and interperet it. It doesnt need interpretation... its pretty simple!
the sad part is that it worked for a while wiz.....and MM i am not going to go around and around with you- i see you already debated this today with MD- i dont feel the need to repeat him
I left the Republican party, because they were drowning me in junk mail and telemarketing calls. It didn't help that the old Republicans on U4prez were playing dress up and pretending to be women to infiltrate the Democrats. Its like a bad episode of Bosom Buddies.
'fellow' Republicans have used this against me and have made it a defining point. This is one area where I agree with Kt about the infighting... although I think that here on u4, the infighting is much more personal than political differences.
It breaks the 22 nd article of the constitution. The notion that alive is after birth is bullshit and everyone knows it. BBL
Trish, the lines have been blurred and I believe we simply need to adjust the focus and define those lines but key to that focus is the constitution which needs to guide us. It is a document that both parties have abused and disrespected.
but abortion is a federal issue to you MM, you cant pick and choose.
What irritates me is the notion that if you believe you are a right wing freak............ but thats a common one too
no trish it does not- i do not consider the religious right to be all that "republican" it is just a title...
The issue of Gay rights is a state right NOT a federal one. In the overal platform it's a non issue. It in and of it'sself does not define a Republican
trish- there is no liberal kool-aid. even while in the party i disagreed with many a dem on here. i think the reps are in a restructuring phase and the factions are vying to be in control...
there is another term I love. The religious right. Im on the right, does that automatically make me religious?
Absoluely right on Kt.
The thought of leaving the Republican party has been banging around in my head for quite a few months now, and that disturbs me. It seems that, in my experience, if you differ from the staunch GOP platform, other GOP members call you a fake, or a RINO. I have been made to feel ashamed for being a Republican who suupports gay rights for example. I am a Republican in my heart, no matter what avatar letter I wear here, or what party I am registered as in my town. It seems so easy for the liberals, because they get that special kool-aid, and they all think the same way. There doesnt seem to be much deviation in the Democratic party. Liberal is liberal, no matter how you slice it. I do have a few liberal views... does make me NOT a Republican? Does being pro-life make me a Republican? Does wanting the same legal union and adoption rights for gay people make me a liberal? Ugh... My head has been spinning lately, and I totally get this blog Kempite. Smasheys leaving the GOP now has juse made my head spin faster... now... I think I need to go puke!!!
You are correct,in my opinion KT, and Austin is not to blame. He is to be commended for any sense of unity that exists here. But there are fewer and fewer of us to unite. That, together, republicans must seek to rectify.
I have noticed in my 2+ years on the site that the republicans have always had the most infighting- not that other parties have not had their fair share- it seems to me that insteading of debating they resort to a contest of who can be the best republican. I like Austin- i think he is doing a fine job- i think the others make his job harder. i think the problems on the site reflect the problems on a national level. the religious right is losing its steam and has turned off the moderate republicans. but seeing as i am not a republican you cann all choose to ignore my opinion as seeing the republicans fight is entertaining to say the least.
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