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Thursday, March 19, 2009

In Retrospect, Armchair Generals Still Wish We Spared Saddam

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There are those who, till even this day, base their entire political being on the claim that the war in Iraq was wrong and had no legitimate foundation behind it . Some even join with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and claim that we lost the war.

These isolationists and leftists maintain, that there was absolutely no reason for the United States to focus any military attention on Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in the days, months and even years after 9/11.

With creative flair, they refer to 9/11 as a ploy and claim that supporters of Operation Iraqi Freedom simply used 9/11 as an excuse. Others delve deeper and extrapolate that the true reason behind the overthrow of Hussein was a corporate conspiracy spearheaded by oil interests led by Haliburton. Others say it was a family matter that involved the revenge of one presidential son of another President who Saddam once tried to assassinate.

Putting aside theoretical liberal reasoning for Republican support of the Iraqi war and their tendency to believe that Republicans do not care about the lives of those who carry the war out, what these people fail to realize and comprehend are facts. They fail to accept the reality of the time.

Most basic to the reality that they deny is the fact that overthrowing Saddam Hussein was the policy of the United States since 1991. Initially we urged the people of Iraq to do it. Unfortunately those we hoped to do so, such as the Kurds, are also the people we left hanging and they paid dearly for it.

In 1995, under President Clinton, the C.I.A. organized a covert coup to topple Saddam Hussein. It failed.

Three years later, still acknowledging the threat that Saddam Hussein posed, in 1998, President Clinton signed into law a congressionally approved bill called The Iraqi Liberation Act.

Through it all, Democrats and Republicans alike agreed on few things other than the fact that an Iraq led by Saddam Hussein was an Iraq that threatened American interests, Mid East peace and international security.

Other small factors included things like cease fire agreements and United Nations resolutions.

After the original Gulf War, Saddam signed treaties promising to stop the production and procurement of WMD‘s. He made a commitment to permit UN weapons inspectors to verify that he was not in breach of these treaties and he was also not allowed to oppose our enforcement of U.S. no-fly zones. Yet for the twelve years after the Gulf War, Saddam repeatedly violated the terms of the cease fire agreement that he had with the U.S.. Additionally, he denied weapons inspectors proper access to establishing proper inspections. He also repeatedly shot our aircrafts in the no-fly zones and violated seventeen Security Council resolutions regarding weapons development and procurement.

I would contend, that if the American word is to mean something in the world, we should have removed Saddam immediately following the very first time he violated the cease fire agreement that we had with him. That would have eliminated his threat back in late 1991. But we didn’t.

I would contend that we had reason to topple Saddam after he defied the very first UN resolution regarding inspections. But we didn’t.

Instead we allowed him to skirt the terms that were established to contain him and render his ability to be a threat ineffectual.

It wasn’t until after 9/11 that America realized that the risks we faced were great and the threats that exist are serious.

Up until 9/11, aside from shooting back on an Iraqi jet that fired at us outside of an established no-fly zone in Iraq, a failed C.I.A. backed coup, a continuous string of disregard for UN violations and inability to enforce proper weapons inspections and a signed congressional act calling for the liberation of Iraq, we did little more than provide lip service to the agreed fact that Saddam Hussein was a danger and needed to be eliminated.

President Bill Clinton said on February 4, 1998, “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line”

On December 16, 1998 high liberal lord Al Gore said, “If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He’s already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons”.

Around this same time, based on information collected by the Clinton administration, long before anyone could even accuse the Bush administration of falsifying facts, Nancy Pelosi said ” Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of WMD technology which is a threat to countries in the region and has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process”.

According to liberal lion, Ted Kennedy in an interview on October 6, 2002…….”Saddam Hussein is a dangerous figure. He’s got dangerous weapons”.

Shortly after that, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd stated ”The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked upon on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities”

Before his campaign for the presidency of the United States was official, a previous liberal standard bearer of today’s liberal Democrat party, John Kerry said, ” Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime…..He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction….So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real”

It was rather obvious that Saddam needed to go and that fact never changed. Years later, even after there being no weapons of mass destruction found, other evidence of sinister intentions does exist. The discovery of over 500 degraded missile casings designed to carry deadly chemicals actually supports such conclusions.

Then there exists the evidence of what Saddam was known to actually be doing.

Leading Iraqi inspectors and figures with the International Atomic Energy Agency stated “there was evidence that the Iraqis continued research and development "right up until the end" to improve their ability to produce ricin. "They were mostly researching better methods for weaponization,"

They add “Iraq did make an effort to restart its nuclear weapons program in 2000 and 2001, but that the evidence suggested that the program was rudimentary at best and would have taken years to rebuild, after being largely abandoned in the 1990's...."

All of this points to the fact that there was little disagreement regarding Saddam Hussein between both Democrats and Republicans and there was little to distinguish any difference between the Bush administration or the Clinton administration when it came to Iraq.

All except for one.

After the devastating results of 9/11 materialized, the administration of President George W. Bush decided to take action. President Bush decided that lip service was no longer a good enough strategy when it came to eliminating threats.

That explanation produces a knee-jerk reply from the left and isolationists. To that, like Pavlov’s dog, they jump to their feet and scream “but Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorists”.

An oversimplification of events might make their stale reply seem rational but a scratch of the surface of that shallow argument reveals the truth, which those who make that claim, refuse to accept.

Although there has been no connection between the 19 terrorists who participated in the hijacking of the airplanes that produced 9/11, there is no denying that they were terrorists and as a result, on September 20th, 2001, President Bush declared a War On Terror and in a speech to the nation he said, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.…”

Keeping that in mind, even though none of the 19, 9/11 hijackers came through Iraq, there is no doubt that, through Saddam Hussein, Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists with a so-called “global reach”. The list of terrorists that fall into this category includes, but is not limited to:

Abdul Rahman Yasin, one of the conspirators in the 1993
Khala Khadr al-Salahat, who created the bomb for the Libyans that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland
Abu Abas, mastermind of the October 1985 Achille Lauro hijacking and murder of Leon Klinghoffer
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, formerly a director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan before he reentered the insurgency that followed the post Saddam days of Iraq".

Given those names alone, bringing the overthrow of Saddam Hussein into the War On Terror was, and still remains, a legitimate part of the greater battle.

After 9/11, to have ignored Iraq and allowed Saddam to continue to rule with impunity would have been an irresponsible continuation of doing nothing more than offering dire warnings about what could happen and presenting legislation symbolic of what we should do to prevent it from coming to fruition.

In its wake, armchair generals, with more hindsight than foresight, took to calling this front misguided and a diversion. Yet what diversion was created? A diversion which attracted other terrorists to take up arms and flee to Iraq like flies to flypaper.?

Some will falsely claim that our efforts in Iraq gave opportunity to a resurgence of Taliban forces in Afghanistan. They will falsely claim that our decision to fight in Iraq put us in the position of fighting two different failed wars.

Those who make such claims are not just wrong, they are lying.

First of all, neither war has been lost. The coming fulfillment of our goals in Iraq has enabled President Obama to continue the same policy set in motion by the previous administration. Secondly does anyone believe for a minute that our efforts in Afghanistan would be any further ahead than they are now, had Saddam Hussein still been an active protagonist in the region?

Given his history, his continued intentions, ever present risk and consistent defiance of the international community and agreements with the U.S., no effective attempts to combat terrorism beyond mere words, could have been undertaken without neutralizing and removing Saddam Hussein from the equation. After more than a year of trying to achieve that goal through diplomacy, force was resorted to. That was a decision Saddam Hussein made. The opportunity to avoid military action was always there for him and he was the one to reject it.

In the end the United States had two choices. Either finally do something about Saddam Hussein and eliminate the threat he posed and the proliferation of terrorism that he afforded opportunity to, or, once and for all put action behind our words and eliminate the threat and reduce the risks that we spoke so much about for over a decade.

In a post 9/11 government our government chose to act. Rather than risk having to react to another disastrous terrorist plot that claimed more innocent lives, we chose to prevent it.

The benefit of that decision is immeasurable, at least to us. We will never be able to count the lives spared by the removal of Saddam Hussein. We will not know how many future surprise attacks were prevented from occurring but what we do know is that there will be no more assisted or arranged terrorist or state sponsored attacks by Saddam.

We do know that a beachhead for democracy is developing in the heartland of intolerance in the Middle East. We do know that millions of Iraqi are now tasting freedom and for the first time in generations are living either in less fear or no fear. We do know that in addition to all the previous facts which gave reason to removing Saddam Hussein, others existed as well. Such as his support of Palestinian suicide bombers and his prompting of two regional wars. But in addition to that, Hussein’s oppression and extermination of his own people is justification in and of itself. Such humanitarian reasoning justified our actions in places like Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Haiti during the Clinton years. Why that alone is not enough cause for our actions in Iraq is an example of liberal hypocrisy.

Yet till this day, there are those who try to paint our actions as irresponsible, imperialistic forays of greedy, misguided political folly. They try to claim the Republican party who nominated a President that carried this action out is a party that has lost sight of its purpose.

Well to them I make it clear that the Republican party has not lost sight of our purpose, our beliefs or of what is important. The decision to include Iraq in the War on Terror is one that we stand by today as steadfast as we did on the day that Operation Iraqi Freedom was launched.

We are proud of the fact that Republicans finally achieved what, for too long, many only spoke about. We are proud to not excuse away the abuses of Saddam Hussein and ignore his treaty and cease fire violations. We are proud of the fact today, we are not having to add Saddam into an already complicated enough risk equation that involves Iran, North Korea, China, an erratic Russia and the still existing sources Islamic radicalism and terrorism.

Utopian romantics may try to argue how better off we would be had we ignored the facts and allowed Saddam Hussein to remain a player. They will calculate the immediate financial cost of the war and claim it to be the source of our great economic debt. In doing so, what they leave out of their equation is the long term cost that we would still be paying to continue countering Saddam Hussein. They also leave out the price we would be paying as it relates to the lives at risk or lost had Saddam continued with his ambitions.

What these deniers of truth fail to do is acknowledge the fact that America can no longer simply talk about what needs to be done to protect ourselves. We must do things to protect ourselves. What these liberal leaning, apologists for jihad refuse to do is admit that they would have been the first to crucify a Republican President had he not prevented Saddam Hussein from successfully enabling or carrying out any other terrorist related event. But we did, so now their need to point fingers of blame to anyone but themselves causes them to point blame, not at he who made such events possible, but at he who made them less likely.

Such people may continue to call opposition to their denial of facts extremists and they may try to evangelize their message by exploiting those whose lives were lost in the War On Terror but they do so at the risk of taking responsibility for the next terrorist attack that their ways fail to thwart.
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Jackie sorry but China is just buying up the US and expanding their armed forces and just watching as the US goes down the drain on its own. They can afford to wait. Also Jackie again what WMDs? And what about Saudi Arabia? Do you think we should do something about them? I mean after all the Wahhbists clerics preach hate of the US and Israel everyday but hey they are key allie of the US. Thats pretty funny if you ask me a heck of a war on terror.
I agree kemp on alot of this ... erock China will never attack us they are far to invested in our economy to do anything like that ... if we fall they dont get any money back nor will they be able to sell us junk anymore ..they wont do it ...if they were going to do anything it would have been after the olympics afterthey showed the world what incredicble things they could accomplish
This has got to be better than reading your daily Kempite hackpiece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1lOk_dp6yA
Kemp I think its funny you complain about genocide when the GOP opposed any troops on the ground for Bosnia and Kosovo because it was nation building. Also wow now the US a whole decade later cares that Saddam was massing killing people? Plus the cost of this war added on to the fact that it allowed Afghanistan to back slide into the mess it now faces. This was a war of choice. The undeniebale threats for Iraq? LMFAO! The inteligance was wrong, they had no navy, and no air force. China was and is a bigger threat then Iraq.
In Desert Storm, according to Colin Powell, the reason we were successful is because we sent an extremely large contingent of soldiers' to Kuwait with the goal of kicking Iraq's armies out of there. As he learned during the failure of Vietnam, the two main points we needed to emphasize in any military interventions in the future was to stick to our original goals, and send the maximum amount of force to see it through. Once Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait; we were open to the ceasefire......Theodore Roosevelt once stated that "we should not hit at all if it is more honorable not to; but we should never hit soft." It is with this understanding that I agreed w/ Colin Powell's assessment of how we should manage any war, not just Iraq. Had it been up to me, I would have sent 500,000 troops into Iraq from the get go. If we were going to hit them; then I would make damn sure they felt it......This is the mistake that the Bush White House made; the same mistake that the LBJ White House did in Vietnam. We allowed the politicians to dictate too much of what we did; and we kept changing our goals (overthrow Hussein, bring freedom to Iraq, allow the Iraq government to establish, corporatize oil profits, etc.). We kept hearing that freedom wasn't free; but nobody was telling the Iraqi people that......I believe, based on evidence that has surfaced even before 9/11, that the Bush/Cheney Administration had their sites set on Iraq from before their election. 9/11 simply provided them a scapegoat and an opportunity to take advantage of American sentiment at the time. It is unfortunate and disappointing, really. The Democrats have had several opportunities in history to respond to military threats (Both World Wars, Korea, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Iranian Hostage Crisis, etc.). The Republicans only had Desert Storm (which was a success) and then 9/11. On the latter, the GOP allowed ideology to take precedence over strategy; and the result has been catastrophic......I only wish John McCain had been elected president instead of Bush in 2000. He ran 8 years too late......Arch.
I agree kemp.
I wish more "disasters" resulted in the end of genocide, achieved freedom and gave birth to democracies. I also do not pretend to think for a minute that the facts will change a single mind that is cemented in liberal orthodoxy and bumper sticker slogans. But seeing as how the liberal propaganda machine has done its best to diminish the efforts of our fighting men and women who spared us from the undeniable threats of Sadam Hussein in a world that is dangerous enough without him, I thought it apropriate to let a little truth trickle into the stream of lies that the left allows to flow with regularity.
"I don`t give two shits what any soliders think about the war." You are aware that it`s the soliders who fight the wars,right? And given Saddam`s track record,a lot more people would have died if he had allowed to remain in power then were killed during the invasion.The death toll of civilians is tragic,but nothing compared to the result that could have been if Saddam had been allowed to do whatever he wanted.And as for the weapons thing-he had already been proven to have used chemical weapons against his own people,so what was to stop him from doing the same thing to us? And I notice you say it`s "not wise to capture our enemies." Just goes to show you you`re just another anti-defense hardcore liberal.
I don't give two shits what any soldiers think about the war. It was a disaster in every way possible Thats my point Imagine. I will refuse to teach military science to you, and I refuse to debate with you about it. I would confuse you with facts. your knowlage of this subject is even less than your knowlage on weapons. why should I waste my time?
Oh, fuck. Don't give me that, "the soldiers want to keep the war going so we should." I'm glad we have people that are soldiers, and I respect them but the Iraq war was NOTHING BUT A PURE RETARDED DISATSER. I don't give two shits what any soldiers think about the war. It was a disaster in every way possible and only the most partisan of idiots still support the war. I have a resolution though. Since the significant majority of the entire fucking world wants the iraq war to end, let my country withdrawal and then anyone who still supoports the war can feel free to finance and fight it because there are plenty of soliders that are sick of being in Iraq, that oppose the war and realize the fact that its a failure. Don't pretendn you're some authority on millitary strategy just because you served. I worked ina restaurant, but I don't know how to build the building. I'm sick of partisan idiots pretending that its unpatriotic for not supporting Bush's fucktarded war.
Thats because your vast military knowlage would fit into a thimble with vast ammounts of room left. Why should I debate mathmatics with an individual who cant add? We have no common ground to even discuss it.
And back to the original point of this. I stand by my assertion that we should've left Hussein in power.
If you had any idea of what you are talking about I would take the time to discuss it. As it stands.
Its wise to NOT capture our enemies, to invade another country, start a civil war there, strenthen the influence of radical islam, render the constitution, the UN, the geneva conventions and habeus corpus all irrelevant, and spend America into an unthinkable deficit, just like Bush did with the Iraq war.
Everyone has the right to foolishness in America. I'm glad to see you exercising your rights
OR we could've got the people that attacked us on 9/11, and saved Saddam for a time when we actually had the resources, and the leader to remove him from power. I'll argue in deffense of my position till death.
Sure that way he could still be commiting genocide, and starting wars, flounting UN resolutonsand so on
I am one of those people who is aware that there was no justification for the war, that we lost the war, and that we should've left Hussein in power.
BBL
I would think that there are other options than all out war. Sanctions, accou freezes hell Keep the 850 odd billion they have in our banks. and so on . There is more than one way to fuck with em. When that all fails, Then make Saudi a glssy spot in the desert.
Well you and Kemp have nice night defending a war that never should have happened. Night all.
So you want to over look what takes place in Saudi Arabia? I thought u wanted to win the war on terror?
come up with a practical soluition
So Grrr your saying as long as we do not interfer with oil distruption we can fight the war on terror? Mean while the clerics of Saudi Arabia with the Royal family turing a blind eye preaches anti-american propoganda. you know why the Royal Family does? Because they know that they need to direct anger at some other nation because they have been screwing over their people. They live in huge mansions why the people of Saudi Arabia are treated like crap. So you are fine with the U supporting the Royal Family? I am not.
It'll be funny as hell when Europes oil supply is cut off. I daresay they might get just a little pissed off at you.
That is way to funny to think that those nations would attack the US at all lol. So its okay just to attack nations that dont have allies? how are you going to handle Iran? I mean China supports them.
Let's see here, France, England, Germany ETC. You want to go to war with Saudi fine, just bear in mind these countrys will also declare war on the US
I dont care I care about the actions of this nation and you and Kemp claim to be fighting a war on terror but have said nothing about Saudi Arabi this despite that the bulk of the terrorists came from their.
Lets explore that shall we? Tell me, how many europian allies does Saudi have?
The government of Saudi Arabia allows the clerics to preach anti-american propoganda but the US supports the Royal Family some of whom have donated to front groups that support terror groups.
Kemp, why haven't we gone after Libya, Syria, or Saudi Arabia? They all have a history of funding terrorist operations. The best anti-terrorist weapon is the second Amendment. Keep Americans armed and people will be less willing to mess with us. If Todd Beeman had a gun, Flight 93 could have very well landed at its destination with the only casualties being the hijackers.
no shit.
Wow... Erock, if you want to slap Kempite around do you think you could do it without slamming the United States? Reading your last comment sounds like you are an apologist for both Sadaam and Bin Laden. You should really give that some thought, you may want to read your comment and then revise it. People will start to think you are siding with the terrorist.
Iraq had no navy, no air force, and was not an immediate threat at all. And it was Bush who scared the crap out of this nation after and insisted that we go to war. Also I would remind you that the GOP opposed Bosnia, and Kosovo as nation building. O and how much resources where directed into this war instead of capturing Bin Laden? Or ensuring that the Taliban did not resurface. Yea nice job on that one.
O right Kemp Saddam was fine when he gassing Iranians for the US but hey go after those Kuwaitis wow thats to far. Also its been clear that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. O and how did this war help the US with Afghanistan? Last I checked Afghanistan is falling apart and now troops who have done 3 tours of Iraq are going to end up fighting their. Plus you can not deny that Saddam was a check on Iran. Sorry Kemp but history will not judge the US well for this war. It was a war of choice. And if you really want to think that the US is picture perfect and that people in the Middle East have no right to be angery at US actions in the middle east then you really are hopeless. Yes I want to catch Bin Laden, but one could make a bigger argument that the nation of Saudi Arabia is a bigger problem when it comes to terrorism but the US gives them a free pass. Why? OIL.
So Mad, I see, so governments that sponsor terrorism are to be ignored? Governments that enable terrorists should be overlooked? Heads of State who finance suicide bombers should be left alone? Cease fire agreemnets that a nation signs should be ignored? Human right abuses should be ignored? I see what you are saying. Do not eliminate terrorists or government sponsored aggression until it has actually errupted. Your answer does not answer any of the many points articulated in this post which point to a warranted removal of Saddam Hussein. Your answer is not an answer, it is an excuse to avoid doing that which is neccessary, that which we all wish need not to be done, but responsibility requires. Sorry but I just can't agree with your thinking which provides terrorists with an excuse for their actions and condones ignoring the enforcement of agreements and cease fires.
Well stated, mad.
We should go after the terrorists who attacked us, Iraq did not attack us nor could they attack us. And because this is being done by organizations and not countries, the plan should have been to go after the organizations using covert operations. The problem with the pre-emptive war scenario is it sets precedence for another country to occupy our country.
That sounds like a neat explanation but does your simplistic Ron Paul, "we brought it on ourselves", explanation excuse away terrorist action or our need to defend against it. Are you claiming that we should listen to the terrorists and withdraw from our commitments? Are you claiming that the U.S. should adopt Swiss style neutrality and pretend that what happens somewhere else does not effect us? Your Ron Paulism fails to address the 19 other reasons articulated in this post which warranted the removal of Saddam Hussein. Reasons which, even if 9/11 had never occurred, still gave cause for his removal. Or does your denial require me to ignore all evidence of fact?
The main reason we were attacked is because we insist on intervening in the Middle East. The terrorist attacks on September happened not because of a nation warring against us, but because of a grassroots organization of terrorists (Nono of whom were Iraqi) wanted the United States to quit interfering with their lives. Saddam Hussein might have felt joy on 9/11, but it doesn't mean he was involved. It would be like giving me credit for the Phillies winning the World Series because I was rooting for Philly to beat Tampa Bay.

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